jueves, 4 de diciembre de 2008

Gantz 286 en español

Sinopsis del capítulo anterior
Faltando cada vez menos para la catástrofe, los gantzers de Tokio intentan llevar sus vidas lo mejor posible; Sakurai piensa llevar a su novia a un parque de diversiones, Daizemon y Takeshi van a vivir con Suzuki (El viejo), Katou se cruza con la Kishimoto original y Reika rechaza a Inaba. Luego de unas crueles palabras de este, la modelo reflexiona sobre sus sentimientos hacia Kurono.

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GANTZ EPISODIO 286

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En dos palabras: Me encantó.
Hiroya vuelve a darle profundidad a personajes que habían quedado un poco perdidos. Además promete mostrar el lado más miserable de Reika y, de yapa, una bizarra, pero no por eso menos genial, posibilidad: La convivencia de dos Kei Kurono en un mismo tiempo.

Cambiando de tema, le recuerdo que todo aquel que quiera escribirme o agregarme al msn puede hacerlo a: gantz.2nd.phase.catastrophe@gmail.com .

Antes de despedirme, les comento que el futuro de la próxima entrega es un poco incierto. Algunos dicen que va a salir recién en el 2009; otros que va a ser un número especial. Lo cierto es que ni bien tenga algo de información, la subo al blog.

Nos vemos pronto.

Shiro ^_^

109 comentarios:

sigsoldado dijo...

Oh?? Reika esta loca??, q quiere decir esto. que ha matado a Kurono??

Full Metal Alchemist dijo...

Esta mas o menos el capitulo.

Yo pensaba q mostrarian mas de la fabrica .Ademas el 285 al final decia "La relación del dueño de la frabrica y Gantz".Muchos dicen q estos capitulos son papel tirado a la basura .Y no aporta nada.

Igual me gusta mucho la Reika loca XD

Kazekami dijo...

Me juego 100 a que lo acaba de matar a Kurono y Tae se va a encontrar a Kurono bien muertito en el piso.

Si esto es asi lo revivio muy al pedo.

Felipe dijo...

XDDD see se matoa kurono ta mas loca q una cabra esta mina xd

Lucy dijo...

¿Queeee? No entendi... jajaja

O se volvio loca de remate o lo mato =S!!!

Maldita Reika!!! Tae es la unica para Kurono T.T

Saludos XD

Shiro dijo...

sigsoldado: La verdad no lo creo. Sería como demasiado... Pero, de todas maneras, fue un final un tanto ambiguo. Así que lo dejo en la duda.

Full Metal Alchemist: Desarrollar la parte humana de los personajes entre misiones siempre fue parte del encanto del manga. Lo que pasa es que no teníamos que esperar 20 días para leerla. Yo disfruto tanto estos enredos amorosos como las misiones en sí.
Y si, Reika loca realmente paga.

Kazekami: Podría ser una posibilidad...
Si eso fue así, Kurono debería pensar en mudarse. Definitivamente, no es un barrio seguro XD

Felipe: ¿Viste ese ojo deviado en el anteúltimo cuadro? ¿Y la sonrisa macabra en el último? Me mata como en un solo capítulo Hiroya convirtió a Reika de un dios a un demonio.

Lucy: Parece que todos entendimos lo mismo. Pero igual, que Kurono este muerto, no aportaría tanto a la narrativa como que, a futuro, pueda haber dos ¿Me explico? Hiroya, más allá de guionista y dibujante es economista. Sabe que la misión anterior estuvo un tanto floja en comparación con las anteriores, y que sí o sí tienen que estar Kurono y Kato juntos.

Anónimo dijo...

Asi q Oku ademas de dibujante y guinista es economista?? XD jajaja, tal vez, pero eso no le impidio hacer la mision de Osaka XD, q igual nos tuvo a todos desconcertados.

Antes de hacer un comentario original, pienso q Tae es una boluda por ponerse mal porq Kei le dijo q le gustaba Reika XD, si no se lo dijo en serio XD Ademas, si fuera asi, no se la habria dicho tan tranqui.

Lo termine de leer... Reika esta mal, le falla. La verdad este cap tiene un fin muy ambiguo, ni siquiera puedo interpretarlo como q mato a Kurono!!!
Sin embargo, si lo revive otra vez (en el caso q haya muerto o_O), el igual va a amar a Tae. Eso no lo puede cambiar, si el igual estaba enamorado aunq no tuviera recuerdos cuando lo revivieron en esta nueva fase!
Che, si Reika lo mato, lo habra matado con un arma de Gantz?? porq manchada no salio XP.

Este capitulo me gusto, lastima q Hiroya los hace tan cortos ¬¬'

Tati

Anónimo dijo...

Cuando decía que mato a kurono, creo que lo decia en sentido figurado. En cuanto a Reika, prefiero que lo intente con otro personaje. ¿Quizas con kato o Nishi?.

Hay una duda que me queda, ¿Sera verdad que Nishi es hijo de un Ministro? Si es asi su padre deveria saber algo sobre Gantz.

Comadreja64 dijo...

Estimados, creo que es posible que lo hayan matato a kurono rekun...seguro como le fue a cocinar la cena, al final dependiendo de la respuesta se tomaron algo y asi es como lo mato por la comida, por eso ella alucina que va a conseguir los 100 puntos, creo que ya fue emoKurono.

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Alvaro Felipe dijo...

jajajaja Reika es genial.. aunq espero q no halla asesinado a kurono... x q pobre tae y pobre d nosotros tener q aguantarnos el final del manga con un personaje tan mediocre como Kato...

espero q nos e ofendan peor es verdad kato es una mariposita al lado d kurono q si pelea, rompe madres y demas!! espeor q la ultima mision sea una verdadera guerra donde Kurono muestre su valor y su verdadero poder como lider del equipo Gantz

Shiro dijo...

Tati: Yo tampoco creo que lo haya matado. Pero conociendo este manga, no hay que descartar la posibilidad.
A mi parecer, la lógica de Reika es que si la copia de Kurono (Llamemoslo Kurono 2)ve que Kurono 1 está ya con Tae, se va a quedar con ella.

Anónimo: Lamento pincharte la ilusión, pero todo parece apuntar a que Nishi es homosexual. Lo de Kato podría haber sido en Osaka, ahora que volvió Kurono va a estar más obsesionada que nunca.
Y lo de Nishi hijo de un ministro, solo lo dice en el animé.

Comadreja64: Creo que tenes que aflojar un poco con "Mujeres asesinas" XD

Alvaro Felipe: Coincido. Kato es un personaje interesante, pero no como protagonista. Y, pese a su locura, me sigue simpatizando Reika.

Vampire_Lord87 dijo...

no entendi a reika.......como ke hay 2 kuronos????? (segun comment del amigo shiro xD)la verdad ste es el cap mas confuso ke he leido saludes

Shiro dijo...

La cosa es así...
Como bien dijo Nishi, la bola negra funciona como un fax: Copia y reproduce.
Teniendo en cuenta eso, podemos entender que la opción de "revivir" al juntar los 100 puntos, realmente es de "crear una copia de cualquiera que este en la memoria". En ningún lugar dice que la persona seleccionada tiene que estar muerta. Por consiguiente, si decide "revivir" a alguien que está vivo, va a resultar en que la esfera negra cree otra copia de la persona.

nishikuns dijo...

ps la verdad estoy aturdido con ese comportamiento enfermo, pero igual creo q no mato a kurono por si de verdad lo ama, no se atreveria ya ni ella sabe si obtendra 100 pts, en esta mission q biene, y eso de q gantz puede revivir a personas vivas ,no creo gantz permita q hay 2 copias iguales ya levantaria muchas sospechas.

ah y tambien se supone q este capitulo se trataba del dueño de lA FABRICA GAntz
saludossssssssss-----.......

Lucy dijo...

Bueno, estuve leyendo todos los comentarios y me parecen interesantes cada uno de ellos.

Despues de platicar con Shiro creo fielmente que Kurono-chan sigue con vida en su departamento XDD asi que no hay de que preocuparse.

¡¿Cómo que Nishi es gay?! ¡¡Quiero las pruebas!! ¡No puede ser gay! T______T Nishi mi amoooor!

Anónimo dijo...

Hey nadie comenta que Reika puede morir en la siguiente mision (aunque cualquiera puede morir jeje XD). Bueno yo lo veo muy muy muy posible, por q en su afan de conseguir puntos puede llegar a arriesgarse demasiado.

Anónimo dijo...

Este capitulo me dejo helado!!! no puede ser! me encantaba reika pero se esta volviendo loca! quiere Revivir a kurono por segunda vez! osea tener su propio kurono como si fuera un juguete:S no es q lo haya matado sino q quiere su propio kurono

N!shi dijo...

Nishi gay?? No creo. El problema es que nunca muestran su vida. Ademas cuantos años tiene??

Animetrixx dijo...

Shiro: tu teorìa sobre lo que quizas quiera hacer Reika tiene un fallo:

De seguro Reika no sabe que Gantz en realidad crea copias en lugar de resucitar al original, por lo que no creo que vaya a intentar pedirle a Gantz un clon de Kurono. Tampoco creo que se arriesguado a matarlo en ese momento. Tan solo fijate en el menmsaje final: "Pensamientos peligrosos", lo que puede interpretarse en que Reika apenas está planeando algo. Su plan, puede consistir en que, al igual que Kato, intente reunir 100 puntos en una sola misiòn y luego, procurar que Kurono muriese para revivirlo. Tl vez tenga planeado traer al Kurono que había renunciado a Gantz, ese que había olvidado a Tae (el problema es si Gantz tiene en su memoria aqulla versión de kurono o solo tiene registrada la de Kurono antes de salir del "juego".

Shiro dijo...

Nishikuns: Ahora que lo vemos desde la distancia, carece de lógica que lo haya matado.
Insisto en que la existencia de dos copias no pone en peligro su existencia. Según tu postura, debería haber eliminado a la segunda Kishimoto. Era mucho más peligroso que hubiera una adentro y una afuera de la organización.

Lucy: Lo de la orientación sexual de Nishi son puras especulaciones mías. Luego de que reviviera a finales de Fase 1, lo empezaron a hacer más varonil; pero acordate de las misiones 1 y 2. Fijate en la forma que desprecia particularmente a las mujeres y a los gantzers más bien masculinos (Estilo Kato o Tetsuo). Notá que hasta cierto punto tiene ataques de histeria bien característicos del género femenino.

Anónimo #1: Reika, Suzuki, Inaba, Takeshi y Hoi Hoi son fuertes candidatos para decir adiós. Lamentablemente, quedaron afuera en el cambio de nivel de las misiones.

Anónimo #2: Exacto. Quiere un Kurono para ella. Como sabe que sería su segunda opción, después de Tae...

N!shi: Joichiro Nishi tiene entre 13 y 14 años. Como le dije a Lucy, es una opinión subjetiva, peeero hay fuertes indicios en las primeras dos misiones. Su resentimiento, su desprecio particular hacia las mujeres, su histeria.

Animetrixx: Reika sabe lo de las copias. Kurono les contó absolutamente todo lo que sabía; recordá que cuando Sakata revivió a Cherry, Kurono comentó en voz alta: "Aunque sea una copia, es lo mejor que pudo haber pasado".
Y tal como le dije a Anónimo #2: Reika sería la segunda opción de Kurono; por lo tanto, si Tae está ocupada por el original...

david dijo...

yo pienso, que lo que quiere es sacar a kurono de gantz por que cuando alguien sale se le borra la memoria i se le devuelve al estado que estava al entrar. mas o menos como quando se revive a alguien tipo tae, que no conocia a kurono.

Animetrixx dijo...

Shiro, corrigeme si estoy mal. Pero cuando recerdo esos capítulos, Kurono no gritó en voz alta que Sakureai podría ser solo una copia. Él llegó a esa conclución porque había visto lo que ocurrió con Kishimoto y por lo que Nishi le había dicho. Cuando les contó al equipo sobre "todo lo que sabía", él aún no sabía sobre las tres opciones al llgar a los cien puntos, pues creía que la única opción era liberarte del juego.

Por otro lado, si todos estuvieran consientes de que gantz crea copias en lugar de revivir a los muertos, nadie se animaría a usar esa opción por que sabrían que en realidad no estan resicitando a nadie. En todo caso, tal vez el único que sí sabía de esta farsa era el buen sakata, ya que a lo mejor puede leer la mente y escuchó lo que dijo Kurono al ver va Sakurai "resucitado", de ahí que le dijera al equipo que la opción tres era un desperdicio y que no quería que malgastaran sus puntos "reviviendolo".

En conclusión, pienso que los únicos que saben sobre lo de la opción tres son Kurono y Nishi; en tal caso, me sorprende que Kurono no tenga problemas existenciales sobre "solo soy una copia!!" xD

Por otro lado, Gantz, aunque comteió un error con Kishimoto, no creo que sea tan descuidado como para no llevar en su memoria un registro de que miembros son actualmente están vivos, cuales han sido liberados y cuales muertos. En todo caso, Reika tendría que engañar a la esfera. Pero eso ya no nos puede constar. Tal vez Nishi sí sepa al respecto, y tal vez Reika busque a Nishi para que le dé información sobre si lo que quiere hacer es factible.

PD: Este blog está genial para comentar. He visto foros y videos en Youtube que no pasan de: "Kurono es un pendejo!! como se le ocurre rechazar a Reika que está bien buena? xD

Shiro dijo...

Tenes razón. Fue un pensamiento, no lo dijo en voz alta. Te felicito por la buena memoria ;)
Pero lo que es verdad, es que se da por entendido que Kurono les dijo al resto todo lo que sabía (Y eso incluye lo de las copias). La posibilidad que plantea Reika al final de este capítulo lo confirma.
Y en cuanto a lo de Sakata, te equivocas. Ellos no pueden leer la mente; tienen poderes telekinéticos, no telepáticos.

Para finalizar, coincido con vos en que se armó un buen espacio de debate. Estos días estuve revisando foros que discutían el capítulo y el nivel de las opiniones era paupérrimo. "Que Kurono se quede con Reika", "Queremos menos telenovela y más acción"; si quieren puro combate y nada de argumento, que vayan a ver Naruto ;)
Justamente ahí radica la diferencia entre un shonen y un seinen. Se intenta contar una historia a otro nivel; se apunta a un público más sofisticado que está listo para encarar una narrativa más lenta pero intensa.

Felipe dijo...

Lo Unico que importa es que Reika esta deskiciada!!!!
como amo los personajes con toqes de locura *.* uajaju la mina ta cagaaa de la cabeza (sorry por los modismos soy chileno xD) tiene un problema y ojala lo haya matado xP para darle mas locura a la cuestion y ojala hasta se agarren con tae de los pelos y al barro mierda ! ( xD ya ahi me fui en otra xD) eso saludos XP

¨Felipe dijo...

se me olvidaba decir siii q no se quede con reikaesa deberia qedarse con inaba los dos estan harto cagaditos de la cabeza entre ellos se entedenran digo yo xP


pd: si shiro note ese ojo siniestro y esa sonrisa de los matare a todos ñacañacañaca

Anónimo dijo...

ola ,estoy siempre atento a su blog, que estan al tanto de gantz, muy buen trabajo los felicito, y ahora me voy a poner a leer el manga 286 de gantz.

Katoucha dijo...

Genial, esta serie es alucinante. Como dice Shiro, no sólo es de muerte y sangre(aunque eso me gusta mucho)también muestra el otro lado del personaje, el lado humano; una historia más real y no solamente una serie hueca llena de peleas sin sentido. Ya me imagino si habría dos Kuronos en gantz, sería un superteam; lo único que faltaría es que el panda reviva a Izumi ya que le gustaba acosarlo; en fin esto tiene para rato, faltan muchos misterios por resolver.
Saludos.

aramith dijo...

gran capitulo, despues de la batalla de osaka (que puesta en perspectiva no fue taaaan larga, lo que pasa es que tener gantz en dosis quincenales es terrible...) volvemos a ver a los personajes como personas y no solo como gantzers. lo mas loco de todo es que tanto koruno, como reika o los demas tiene TODOS ellos los dias contados... o sea, faltan 3 dias para la catastrofe, y, yo me arriesgo, pero no pinta que gantz vaya a tener un happy ending. igual, ya de por si es una gran historia, solo espero que tenga un final acorde

Althir dijo...

me gustó el capítulo, creo que la parte en la que estamos es la mejor de toda la serie, es posible que sea el final, aún así esta serie para mi no ha desmerecido en ningún momento(aunque la batalla de osaka fue algo larga, tuvo su motivo) y creo que es lo mejor que he leído del manga. sobre este capítulo quiero decir que kurono ahora mismo no es un tío que se rinda fácil ante la adversidad y por tanto si hubiese 2, ambos pelearían por tae asi que creo que de revivir reika a kurono pedirá que sea de alguna forma en la que haya olvidado a tae(antes de conocerla o cuando creía que era una acosadora).Saludos desde madrid

Shiro dijo...

Felipe: Totalmente de acuerdo; es increíble ver como uno de los pilares de cordura del equipo se trastorna por sentimientos que no puede manejar.
En cuanto a lo de hacer pareja con Inaba, lo dudo mucho; Reika le tiene rechazo. Sabe que es solo un pajero que la quiere hacer su esclava sexual (Comentario al margen: Inaba es mi personaje favorito).
Ese ojo y esa sonrisa enfermiza de la última página, no tienen desperdicio.

Anónimo: Muchas gracias por los elogios. Que lo disfrutes.

Katoucha: Totalmente de acuerdo. Sería genial ver a dos Kuronos... O tres... O cuatro...
Efectivamente, debemos saber tan solo un 10% de la verdad sobre las esferas negras.

Aramith: Habiendo leído otras obras de Hiroya, yo diría que va a tener un final feliz... Aunque no para todos los personajes.

Althir: Sería genial ver un combate entre dos Kuronos. Y luego ver al perdedor siendo consumido por el resentimiento. Quien te dice que un Kei despechado no pueda llegar a convertirse en algo muy similar a Izumi...

Anónimo dijo...

Gantz se ha convertido en una novela de Amor pero como dice shiro es parte del drama tambien disfruto estos caps. pero q solo sean 18 pags. eso si me cabrea

~ Iwakura Akisuki ~ dijo...

Yo verdaderamente no creo que haya matado a kurono... simplemente esta loca... perdon XD, obsesionada con el. Y quiere revivir a otro kurono para poder estar con el.

Reika cada dia me cae mejor :D

pero no hay como Tae...

Solo tres dias para que comiense la catastrophe!! Tres dias... pero tal ves unos 10 capiatulo XDD ¡___¡

Ya kiero que empiezeee!!!

Agush ! dijo...

Hola !!!
Creo que Reika no mato a Kei ¬¬
Se deve referir a " revivir " paa que sea como era antes ... pajero , desinteresado ...
Ademas , no podrian aver 2 Kei ...
Y otra cosa , como dijieron , Oku es economista y no le combiene que Kei vuelva a morir ¬¬ ...
Suerte y pasen por mi blog D: !!! XD

Anónimo dijo...

Cada vez es mas dudosa la muerte de Kurono. Es mas, pienso q al rechazarla se le ocurrio esa idea de "volverlo a revivir". Incluso llama la atencion q haya dicho "voy a poder VOLVER..(...)" el volver me da la imresion q dijeron todos ustdes: q ella planea conseguirse un Kurono para ella. pero al mismo tiempo, ella sabe muy bien q no importa cuantas veces Kurono vuelva, el va a amar a Tae: cuando el no tenia memoria, igual sentia algo profundo por Tae sin saber ni q le habia pasado, ni lo q habia tenido con ella.
Y entonces q piensa hacer Reika??

Tati

Shiro dijo...

Lo del asesinato psicótico ya quedó descartado jajaja
Lo que planteaban algunos me recordó a uno de los primeros capítulos del nuevo Linterna Verde (Kyle Rayner), donde él llegaba a su casa y encontraba a su novia hecha pedacitos en el freezer.

En cuanto a lo de si puede o no haber dos copias al mismo tiempo, me vuelvo a remitir al caso de Kishimoto para asegurar que sí. De hecho, es elección de cada uno qué hacer con sus 100 puntos; si después de tanto esfuerzo, Reika quiere gastarlos en eso... problema de ella.

Che dijo...

Yo kreo ke Reika ya se le pego alguna ke otra cosa de Kurono cof kishimoto mi maskota cof cof ahora kiere al pobre de Kurono como maskota xD pero ps la verdad nito ver los siguientes capitulos!!!!!!

Anónimo dijo...

(((Lo que planteaban algunos me recordó a uno de los primeros capítulos del nuevo Linterna Verde (Kyle Rayner), donde él llegaba a su casa y encontraba a su novia hecha pedacitos en el freezer.)))

Aghh, q asco!!

Estaria interesant ver a dos Kuronos.
Cha, reviviran a Akira, el hermano de Kei??

Tito876 dijo...
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Tito876 dijo...

Tu blog esta Genial, lo mejor de todo es que esta actualizado y
con respecto al ultimo cap de Gantz, cada vez recupera su fuerza inicial, ya es hora de una matanza similar a la que tuvieron con los demonios o con los budas, que fueron memorables, me pregunto que hará Kato con 2 Kuronos, y que pasara con Kei kishimoto, ya no habrá nesecidad de revivir a la que murio?

Se pone genial... espero el siguiente cap con ansias...

XD

Shiro dijo...

Gracias por los elogios.
Todo parece indicar que la próxima misión va a ser un exterminio.

Anónimo dijo...

Si, todos estan esperando ese exterminio (era hora!), pero a pesar de q fue muy largo, en la mision de Osaka tmb los hicieron boleta a todos, eh.

zaraki kenpachi dijo...

hola si me gusto mucho este manga no puedo esperar a q saque los q falta parece q falta muy poco me alegro y la duda q tienen todos q porq reika dice eso de q si junta los 100 puntos puede revivir a kurono es q cuando lo reviva el se va a olvidad de tae asi ella le dice q le gusta y todo eso bueno aca dejo mi msn para q me avisen cuando sale el 292 quiero sabeer coomo sigueeee

Anónimo dijo...

hola si me gusto mucho este manga no puedo esperar a q saque los q falta parece q falta muy poco me alegro y la duda q tienen todos q porq reika dice eso de q si junta los 100 puntos puede revivir a kurono es q cuando lo reviva el se va a olvidad de tae asi ella le dice q le gusta y todo eso bueno aca dejo mi msn para q me avisen cuando sale el 292 quiero sabeer coomo sigueeee

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